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I Need More Powerful Lights

Published: 12/06/2019
By: Brandon

Jenn in California writes:

I've been using a Nikon D750 with the Flashpoint R2 Pro and a few Flashpoint Zoom Li-on Speedlights. I absolutely love how the system works. It's super reliable and the rechargeable lithium-ion batteries are a game changer when compared to how I used to need four AA batteries in each of my Nikon flashes. The issue I'm running into is that in the California sun, I find myself needing more power to get the window pulls I want. Is there a more powerful flash that will work with my current set up? I'd love to have one or two really powerful lights in my kit.

Hey Jenn,  I've actually been using the exact same set up as you for a few years now and I agree it works great!  I don't run into the same problem as you very often but when I do, I simply stack my flashes and use two or more on the same channel. As mentioned, I don't need to do this very often so it's not a big deal for me but in your case, I can see it becoming a hassle.

Here are a couple of options that might work for you:

(Note to readers: Make sure you select the version designed for your camera, i.e. Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc.)

Flashpoint Zoom Li-on X R2 TTL On-Camera Round Flash Speedlight

  • Flashpoint R2 remote TTL system built in
  • GN 92ft/28m @ISO 100 50mm zoom
  • Internal lithium battery for 480 full power flashes
  • High speed sync for shutter speeds up to 1/8000 second

 

 

 

Flashpoint eVOLV 200 Pro TTL Pocket Flash

  • Flashpoint R2 remote TTL system built in
  • Produces up to 200w
  • Internal lithium battery for 500 full power flashes
  • High-speed sync for shutter speeds up to 1/8000 second

 

 

 

 

Flashpoint Streaklight 360 TTL

  • Flashpoint R2 remote TTL system built in
  • GN 262ft/80m ISO: 100
  • Internal lithium battery for 450 full power flashes

 

 

 

If anyone in the PFRE community is using another great lighting solution, please don't hesitate to share!

12 comments on “I Need More Powerful Lights”

  1. If you decide to go with the 360, I see no reason to pay for the TTL version. If you don't mind a small adapter sticking out from the flash head, you can get a manual (non-TTL) Streaklight 360 *with* the battery pack for $259, and a bridge adapter to make it work with the R2 system for another $20. That said, the 360 is a bit older tech, and in my opinion, many would be better served to go with the AD200, which has only two thirds of a stop less power in a much more compact form factor. If your budget permits, you could combine two AD200s in the AD-B2 bracket and have a total of 400ws of power that can still be broken apart to light two separate areas when needed. Just be mindful that the flash output from the two flash tubes stacked in that manner is not perfectly circular, making that combination less ideal for direct-flash applications.

  2. the Flash point 360 is on sale with the power pack (made by GODOX) and is a great deal from Adorama. it recycles very fast with the power packs. But, these units are a bit bulky so only use them on stands as the weight could damage your hot shoe.

    I shoot with Fuji Xt-2 and the X-Pro2. the Fuji is a great camera system, but their flash system is the worst! so, i used my Nikon SB-900 (which is powerful, but known to over heat) and two SB-800 flash units in manual mode and fired them by pocket wizards (which are quite overpriced, but work well). Now that my Nikon flash units are starting to fail, I started using my older Quantum Q-Flash units.

    Because I was a commercial photographer, and didn't want to carry power packs and flash heads out of the studio, I bought 6 Quantum T-2 Q-Flash units for small location jobs. these were excellent strobes, but expensive and a bit heavy. But, they were pro quality, and built very strong (unlike the Flash point which feels a bit flimsy. you can now find them on e-bay from $100-$300 in good working order. they are a true 150 WS flash and work great with umbrellas, and small soft boxes. but the best part, is that they can be powered buy the GODOX power packs. If I didn't have my Quantum flash units, I'd truly look at the Flash point 360 with their power packs and order a couple of extra batteries. I'm not totally convinced or understand how they can get a true 360 WS out of these little flash units, unless they have some very efficient reflector that enhances the output.

  3. One more option is the wonderful Lumedyne system. These were originally treasured by wedding and event guys shooting film and needed powerful 200WS of power for medium format slow film.
    now that the new digital cameras are so efficient and have great image quality at hi ISO, these power pack/ separate heads are no longer needed for this use. The new packs and heads are very expensive, but you can get them used at a great price. They are still manufactured in FL, so you can have them checked and upgraded to 400ws. the heads are very light weight, but the packs are a bit bulkier than the GODOX. they are pro quality and produce 200 WS which is great for our interior work. (hot shoe flashes are about 50 ws. Lumedyne its older technology, but we only need reliable, hi output quality light. nothing fancy. I use these to light twilight exterior shots. OK, its just a thought.

  4. I also use a D750, and initially used the Zoom Li-on flashes. Like you, I found that I needed more light. I wound up using the Flashpoint 360 (Godox AD360II-N WITSTRO ) and am very pleased. My standard set up is to mount the 360 on a straight bracket under the D750 so that it is off to the side of the camera. I point straight to the ceiling to eliminate fan/fixture shadows, and the 360 is powerful enough to pull this off. For window pulls, I rotate the head and point at the windows, or sometimes bounce.

    I use the Flashpoint R2Pro to adjust the output level and to control any secondary flashes in use. It is rare that I need a secondary, but a keep a light stand with a second 360 and umbrella. The umbrella is not always used, but sometimes handy.

    It makes an impressive looking rig, and my clients often comment that it is nice to see a professional shooting. I have come to realize that there is some marketing advantage there and plan to keep using this setup even if smaller/lighter units are available.

    I have had no reliability issues and am very pleased.

  5. I would also consider the explor600’s. Here in Colorado we have lots of big rooms, dark interiors and very bright views that can’t be overly exposed since they are a major selling point. I use two explor600’s with umbrellas on about a quarter of my shoots, in addition to 3 evolv200’s.

  6. "That said, the 360 is a bit older tech, and in my opinion, many would be better served to go with the AD200, which has only two thirds of a stop less power in a much more compact form factor."

    I absolutely agree with Brandon here. I have two of the flashpoint 360s and love them. But have been looking hard at the AD200s, because everything is in one unit. I have to hang the battery of the 360 on the stand also, and when moving it around its always flopping around. Id suggest the AD600s though, if you need more light.

  7. I use the AD-600 and have been very happy with it. If you don't need or use TTL, then I suggest you order the trigger that is not compatible for your camera. My first trigger was for Canon and what I experienced was that if the trigger was turned on the WB of the images would shift 300-700° warmer. I have heard of other issues that people have had when using a trigger that is compatible for their camera. The reason being that using a trigger compatible with your camera the trigger is "talking" to your camera and you don't want that if you are shooting entirely in manual mode.

  8. I got a Flashpoint Rovelight 600ws for bigger rooms - was using up to 4 speedlights before that, got annoyed at moving stands around. Now mostly only use the big guy, love it! Handheld, usually, occasionally on a stand.

  9. I have a 300Ws strobe I use for big rooms where I need to fill up a bigger space with light. If it's just one room, most of the time I'll just gang up 3 speedlights at full power and that gets the job done. I typically have 5 Yongnuo 560's in my case since more is better and I do use them all on occasion when I'm going an establishing shot and have adjoining rooms and spaces I need to light up. A 600Ws battery powered strobe is on my want list. They're useful when you need a blast of light to establish consistent color and they can be used as fill lights for exterior shots with big porticos or recessed entry ways. I'd also like one for outside portraits when a speed light isn't enough and I want to mount a decent sized softbox, fly or scrim.

    I'll go with Godox/Flashpoint. Their array of flashes/strobes that all work with one controller is the only way.

  10. I recently switched from Godox AD200 and AD600 to the Interfit line of flashes. The Godox were no longer reliable with respect to flash trigger firing. Sometimes they would fire and sometimes they would not. Can't speak more highly of the Interfit Badger Unleashed for residential work and their S1 for studio work. The Badger Unleashed is compact, lightweight, recycles fast, easy to use, TTL/HSS, portable and consistent. It's a 250W and plenty for my needs. Customer service is more than outstanding. I had a tech question on a Sunday and Darrel Nash responded! Wow!

  11. I carry three Canon 600 EX II Speedlites and a Yongnuo (bought as a spare). I mount the master on my camera and fire the others as slaves. I primarily use the slaves to light adjacent rooms. For large rooms I sometimes use two Speedlites in the same room. I also have two Interfit S1 mono lights that I absolutely love for studio and on-location headshots and portraits. I have not used them for real estate photography, however I recently bought a Honey Badger Unleashed and took it along for a recent shoot in a model home for one of my builder clients. It worked great! The light was even and reliable. I'm actually thinking about getting another one (or two) for lighting adjacent rooms since I have not figured a way to use it in combination with my Canon Speedlites other than employing a Phottix Odin, Pocket Wizard, or similar. As a side note, I was using Phottix Odins but they caused problems with one of my Canon Speedlites, requiring me to send it in to Canon for repair. Now they are being sold... finally. Plus I have no need for the Odins any more. The Canons work with the RF transmitter as do all of the Interfit lights. I am very pleased with the Interfits, and another benefit is that I live in the Atlanta area and it is easy for me to run down to the Interfit Office to purchase lighting. I also give kudos to Darrel Nash at Interfit. A great guy who knows his product, as well as that of the competitors. I learn a lot every time I visit.

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