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How Has Your Upgrade To Windows 10 Gone?

Published: 08/04/2016
By: larry

Windows10Michael says:

Inevitably it looks like all PC users are going to have to upgrade to Windows 10.

I was wondering if those in the group that have upgraded would share their experience and what previous version they upgraded from?

Yes, Michael is right, Microsoft wants you to upgrade to Windows 10! As I mentioned last week, a couple of months ago Microsoft started some strong arm tactics to get everyone to upgrade. Brad Chacos over at to describes some of the strong-arm tactics that Microsoft is using. The pressure is mounting! You WILL upgrade to Windows 10! If you want to control when your upgrade happens I suggest you see my last post on Windows 10.

I have a little experience in this area because I bought my wife a new Windows 10 laptop for Christmas and had the job of moving her from Windows 7 to Windows 10. The only complaint I have is that despite the fact I got a laptop with twice as big a hard drive as her Windows 7 laptop (her Windows 10 laptop has a 128 GB drive) she is within a few GB of running out of hard disk space. Part of the explanation is all the promotional software that comes on new Windows laptops. Other than disk space her transition has been fairly smooth. But she is not a Lightroom and Photoshop user.

For those that have upgraded what was your experience moving to Windows 10?

30 comments on “How Has Your Upgrade To Windows 10 Gone?”

  1. Microsoft upgraded (ironic term?) two days ago without my consent. Apparently because my computer was left on for two hours without me there, that gave the Black Death free entry to my life. It crashed my computer so I did urgent work on my laptop.....and the BD tried to do the same to that! I managed to alter the upgrade date which gave me the option to cancel, which I did. I will be closing that down as I finish with it- every time.

    Effects of transition: Chrome will not load without a great deal of fuss. In two days I have had three complete system crashes. My internet now works at the speed of a dead dog, when it works at all. I closed the computer down last night, came in this morning to find it was still closing down. This is indeed the dawn of a new era.

  2. Between the two office locations, I have at least 5 systems running. I upgrade with a new system once a year and rotate the oldest system to minor work until I donate to the local boys/girls club. So when Win 10 came out, three systems where in need/offered upgrades to 10. All where done and no problems at all. In fact now that all systems are on the current OS, things are easier to maintain through the network.

    If I had a complaint about anything with new software, it would be the Adobe CC for LR and PS. There product has a habit of running very slow compared to the stand alone versions.

  3. “How Has Your Upgrade To Windows 10 Gone?”
    On my main editing PC HORRIBLE!

    My laptop, tablet and other less important PCs upgraded pretty well without issue. I was not planning to upgrade my editing PC for a while yet but my HDD smoked (literally) a few days ago, so I decided that it was time to upgrade to Win 10 while installing an SSD.

    I am still reinstalling programs, but Photoshop won't.

    A little explaining here - I am a cheap curmudgeon. Photoshop CS5 has worked well for me for years and I have never seen the justification to pay a monthly ransom for software that I don't need. But, after 12 hours of chat sessions and repeated uninstall/install sessions, I finally get a support agent to tell me that CS5 is not supported on Windows 10. Thanks - why couldn't you tell me this 11 hours earlier?

    He also said that CS5 won't work on an SSD. Really?? I may build a Windows 7 HDD system just to keep running Photoshop CS5.

    Also, if you use an NAS, Windows 10 changes the way it networks to other computers. Again.

  4. @Stephen Mann
    "I finally get a support agent to tell me that CS5 is not supported on Windows 10" That's not the fault of Microsoft (Win 10) though...blame Adobe...I do after lately every LR update seems to make the program run worse, not better.

    As I said in an earlier post about roughly the same thing, I have upgraded all my Win 7 pc's to WIn 10 without issue, even those the software told me werent compatible with Win10, just took a little bit to find the right drivers.

    Make sure your drivers are up to date, that's one of those things a lot of folks neglect until there are issues, and even then a number don't think old drivers could really cause that much of an issue.. I found a pretty decent program called "driver booster"
    that (at least for me) found close to 15 drivers that needed updates on my work pc, and I thought I was doing a good job keeping it current.
    That being said, while I understand what MS is wanting to do from a IT standpoint, I think they are being a bit heavy handed in their approach. Even though those that work in corporate environments do it all the time.and remember you don't actually OWN that software or ANY software, you just have a license to use it, and it could be from that legal perspective the reason MS is pushing the update against users wishes..

    Food for thought.I wonder what the masses would say if Apple were to do the same thing...would they (Apple) also get vilified...or, would the masses justify it FOR Apple if Apple portrayed it in the right light (say for security reasons)...something to think about...

  5. My upgrade to Win 10...hasn't. Looking at my upgrade history, I saw where Microsoft repeatedly tried to involuntarily upgrade (before they were publically called on the practice) and each attempt was noted "fail." Likewise, when I tried, if it fully installed, it crashed. Some component is apparently incompatible despite the initial assessment saying everything will work. Wife's computer, while running Win 7, is an ancient hand-me-down rebuild from one of my upgrades and the hardware doesn't support Win 10. She doesn't even get Microsoft nagware to upgrade.

    That brings me to a crossroad as both computers need to be upgraded. Go Windows or join my MacBook Pro and go Apple - with the option for hackintosh/Parallels crossover with either choice. Leaning towards getting an iMac despite my issues on Apple's default photo handling which have discovered a work-around for most issues. It is difficult to invest in the hardware to build a Win 10 machine when I have no experience with it, plus my attempt to build a hackintosh with a spare SSD on the current computer have not been successful and there are know issues with fresh hackintosh builds with Intel Skylake that Tonymac doesn't recommend as model builds yet.

    Tired of wife complaining about her computer, last week bought a Win 10 computer for her, then came the other complaints, not only that was different, but everything that had 'disappeared' as I hadn't transferred everything over. Now have her old system re-setup and too computers in my office. After completing taxes this weekend, will spend more time looking at it. First impression - while nicely spec'd, HP used the cheapest hardware ever as I looked at the inner parts, reinforcing my build it yourself bias. While long term, the plan was to bring over her current harddrive as an "E" drive dedicated to data, the default 300w power supply wouldn't support it, requiring an immediate upgrade. Loaded her current camera SD card for test photos and discovered that Microsoft now pushes all Libraries to OneDrive as default for cloud based storage of photos, video, music and documents. I am sure there is a work around and will explore next week, but for me, that is an automatic fail and what I worked around with Apple Photos. I am glad Costco has a 90 day return policy as I am able to make an informed decision as opposed to a rush decision.

  6. I upgraded my main machine from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro (x64). It went flawlessly, and I've had zero issues since the upgrade. I use Lightroom 5.7 currently, I don't buy into the monthly subscription for CC. Primary C: is a SSD, so after the upgrade you have the Windows.old folder, which is automatically removed after 30 days, or unless you manually clean it. My photos reside on a 1 TB platter drive for now, although my Lightroom cache and library are stored on a second SSD.

    No performance issues on my system since the upgrade, internet and local network connections solid. I have Windows Home Server 2011 on another box, and the PC Connector installed on my Win10 machine works just fine, backing up my primary drive as an image and backing up all my other data.

    I also upgraded my work computer, again from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro, and similar experience, zero issues with it. I always used the "Pro" edition of Windows because I use the extra network controls, the "Home" versions are too restricted for me. (but my day job right now is in IT/Support, so I'm more of a power user in that respect)

  7. "I wonder what the masses would say if Apple were to do the same thing…"

    I'd imagine they'd all move to Windows. Or more likely Linux. Fortunately, that doesn't happen very often. Involuntary upgrades that fail, legacy applications that don't work anymore, manually updating drivers, incompatible SSDs/power supplies/third party software workarounds/forced cloud backups/unhappy spouses. Glad I left all that behind (except for the spouse bit, and she's not unhappy). There's something to be said about a closed, tightly-controlled, non-upgradable hardware/software platform.

    Just a matter of time before someone bought up the Windows/Apple thing.

  8. I am lucky in that my previous career was 30 years in IT, 20 years of it as a Navy Data Systems Technician. I grew up with PCs, saw and installed the very first ones and was in charge of literally thousands of them. I learned the tricks from DOS to Windows 3.1 and NT and on and have a lot of experience with other operating systems such as OSX, Linux and Unix. I learned all this stuff in my spare time while supervising and training hundreds of other technicians throughout my Navy career. After I retired I went to work as a Desktop Support technician and then managed several desktop support teams.

    There are still things I get stuck on, and admittedly dismal upgrades generated by MS and Adobe (among many others), but I have to tell you that many people who own computers are their own worst enemies. I have upgraded at least 30 computers to Windows 10 for friends and family (too busy for clients since this photography gig) and only one has had problems. No problems upgrading, that went fine. My friend decided since he couldn't figure out how to do something he needed to try to "fix it" himself. I ended up having to install a fresh load on that computer, no upgrade, and then reinstall all his software.

    Anyway, at no time did I wait for Windows to install it for me. I was proactive and made sure the device was ready for the upgrade by running the compatibility tool and making sure all drivers and software was currently up to date before kicking off the upgrade. Once it finished, I thoroughly tested each device and made sure all drivers were upgraded - in several cases I had to find new drivers that were just outright missing from the system after the upgrade. Then I made sure system restore was turned on and any backup software was ready to work on it's schedule.

    One important thing to do when upgrading to Win 10 is to ensure you do not have an anti-virus running. Or two anti-virus software packages running when you kick off the upgrade. You have no idea how many people install multiple instances of anti-virus (and so many other potentially unwanted programs) due to not unchecking the box that asks them if they want to install (Chrome, McAffee, DriverUpdate, etc.) when updating or installing another software package.

    If you keep your computer clean and updated you should have few issues with the Windows 10 update and operation following.

  9. I upgraded 3 computers to windows 10 and installed windows 10 fresh on a computer I built. Two of the upgrades went flawlessly, on the third the download was corrupt. Once it was redownloaded, that install went well. I'm not going to blame MS for a bad download, that can happen with any download. As for as the OS, I have found it to be one of the best I have used. I have a NAS attached too the network, I didn't find any changes that were mentioned above. Speed has improved and start-up time reduced. You do need to make sure that your driver are up to date after the install. Most were updated during the install, but I had a few odd-balls that had to be done from the manufacturer.

    FYI - The clean install I did from a purchased USB drive. The OS was installed and running in under 20 minutes.

  10. I had to buy a new PC about a year ago and it came with 8.1. So, shortly after 10 came out I installed it since I was not happy with 8.1. The install went fine and all of my apps work on the new OS. What I hate is that it will restart on it's own periodically. It's frustrating to leave to go to the kitchen to get a cup of coffee and return to see the sign-on screen. It also happens when I'm actively working on editing or whatever. A few times that it has rebooted on it's own it has corrupted my LR catalog since it did not properly shut down apps properly. I'm not happy with 10 and wish I could go back to 7.

  11. Tim - "Make sure your drivers are up to date"

    I'm pretty sure that's not the issue here. Photoshop CS5 installs just fine on my Win 10 system, but when I go to run it I get this error: "Licensing for this product has expired".
    This shouldn't happen as CS5 was sold with a "perpetual" license.

    My problem was "solved" by installing CS5 on a Win 7 PC that i hadn't upgraded to Windows 10 yet.

    I can't say I am surprised because all software "perpetual" licenses usually die when the O/S upgrades. In my wife's lab they still have PCs running XP because the software controlling the lab instrument (a cell counter) they are connected to has never been updated. The vendor insists they upgrade the whole system at a cost of a half-million dollars. (They sell the lab instrument and PC as a system). I have a closet full of hardware that only works on Windows XT. I need to clean out my closet.

  12. I changed to W10 for two reasons (please forgive my inability to put Windows 10 and ‘upgrade’ in the same sentence). First, W7 was corrupted and needed a complete re-install. In fact, I had considered upgrading the C: drive to an SSD and after eliminating everything non-essential it was still a tad over 1T. After the change to W10 it’s down to 240G. Faced with either re-installing the OS and all my programs, or accepting the free W10 installation, I went W10.

    Second, W7 does not support different scaling for monitors of different resolutions. And here is my big complaint with W10. While W10 supposedly offers scaling, the results are inconsistent across different programs and sometimes with the same program. LR 6, and so far all of Adobe programs, does not scale the side menus, leaving the type very small on a 4K monitor.

    My next complaint is that W10 fails to retain monitor settings on a reboot. If my fourth monitor, a TV, is shut off on boot, W10 rearranges the rest of my monitors, changes my default primary monitor and screwing up everything. And there are times that even with the TV on, it’ll rearrange everything. Some monitors come out of sleep mode differently and W10 seems to select the first monitor to wake up as the default main monitor.

    W10 also has a hugely annoying ‘feature’ in that you can no longer choose when it decides to ‘upgrade’ itself. Nothing like trying to upload a clients photos only to find out that MS is tying up internet access with its own needs over yours.

    My recommendation? Well, my laptop is running W7 and working as well as any MS system (?) has ever worked. I am not changing it to W10.

  13. I really can't understand why so many people are having issues with W10. I upgraded on day 1 and could not be happier. Actually, IMO it's the best Microsoft release I've ever owned. I upgraded my PC, laptop, my GF's laptop and I've helped install on a few friends computers. Not a single person has an issue.

  14. I upgraded from 7 to 10 about 6 months ago, and other than a few drivers that needed updating, all is well. I use Adobe CC Lightroom and have not had an issue at all.

  15. I tried it on a Dell tower (2 yrs old) and it wouldn't recognize the wifi components, so I had to downgrade back to Win8 due to no compatible drivers. Tried for several days with no luck. Windows has caused trouble for me with upgrades as long as I've had it (20+ years).

    By comparison, I've never had a problem upgrading my Mac OS.

    I find it a little absurd. I don't think I've ever upgraded a Windows
    OS with also losing 2-3 days of productivity just trying to get it right.

  16. @Stephen Mann I actually don't use Photoshop right now; nothing in my workflow really requires it. I can get by with Gimp or other free software for anything that I would really need anything outside of Lightroom. Lightroom pretty much handles everything I need.

  17. Stephen Mann: I actually don't use Photoshop right now. Nothing in my workflow really requires it, so I can use Gimp or other free image programs to get by if I really need to. Lightroom pretty much handles everything I need.

  18. As a programmer, for productivity reasons, I stubbornly stuck with Windows XP for years on my old laptop. I hated all the intervening Windows versions, spending too much time helping family and friends with their newer versions. Windows 10 was completely different. The best (IMHO) OS since XP. No problems, faster, easier to use, works with all my apps.

  19. From what I am seeing here in this discussion, some of these hardware systems are over 10 years old. Is it just me or does anyone else think that upgraded hardware could cut in half the post production work time and alleviate some of the issues that are being aired.

    I get being comfortable with the system and OS and if it works, why bother with it, but at some point, when does one upgrade to a new system? If you are doing any kind of volume, 10 year old hardware is costing you money in time and performance.

  20. @Jerry - you are right. Upgrading hardware is well worth the money. I just spent $2000 on a new computer and expect to make it back in about a year in time savings. I don't think that anyone here is shooting photos with a 10 year old digital camera, yet some think that a 10 year old computer should be on par with current models and software.

    Both iOS and Windows have limited backward compatibility. It is just not possible to support every out-dated piece of software and hardware. When I design a new webpage, I don't worry that it doesn't show on Netscape or on IE9. The number of people using those browser is just too small to make supporting them worth my time. Same goes for OS.

  21. I upgraded to Windows 10 from 7Pro. I had some niggling issues but I was also at the point of moving to a larger faster SSD. Since a clean install on a fresh drive no issues at all. As others have said, this is the best operating system MS has created. The speed is much improved over Windows 7, or maybe it's that new SSD ;-). I like W10.

  22. I finally gave in to all the request to upgrade. Like many have said, where did stuff go? Little tweaks but I am getting use to it and it is okay. I did have a problem with Microsoft Edge. The new browser. Besides not really liking it, it got a virus. Just the browser. An alarm would sound on my computer to call and get it fixed. Yes it is a scam. Then I called Microsoft and the will fix it for me for either $150 for a year of service or $99 for a month. Great, I upgrade to a browser they haven't proven out and I get a scam virus because it has poor security and then I have to pay... Nice! I didn't buy the service from Microsoft. I started using my old browser and Google. I have to use Dropbox to deliver pictures and I don't have time for this. I Chatted with Norton anti virus. I told them what happened. The said they could fix it if they take control of my PC. I told them I am not a client and I do not use Norton. They said no problem and they will fix it. The tech took over and I watched as it took around 20 minutes to do all the steps to fix it. There was a lot to do and back to the DOS program. Free of charge they fixed the new browser. I was so impressed I immediately bought there system for $50. So if you get a virus scam on your Microsoft Edge browser, call Norton! Since then my system as actually worked slightly faster using Norton as it kind of takes a bulldog approach to what programs are doing what.

  23. Ron I think your new solid state drive is the cause of a faster system. The software might be a little better but SSD is the rocket that lets your CPU and RAM go to work!

  24. Swimmingly well. I've upgraded 7 PCs now, 6 laptops & 1 desktop, and nary a problem with one of them. This is by far the best OS upgrade experience I've had. It's also the best Windows OS to date. Absolutely Zero issues for me.

  25. Three mixed experiences
    1 Upgrade on Dell laptop computer No 1 from W 7: Would not work because the screen device would not be recognized.
    2 Upgrade on Dell laptop computer No 2 from W 7: Download and installation took about 5 hrs but went well (I wondered that it worked at all after my experience with No 1 since this model is almost the same but just a few weeks younger).
    3 Upgrade on Dell Workstation from W 8.1: After 25 mins all was done and the system runs stable since.

  26. I did the upgrade from 8.1 to 10 and two days later, I went back to 8.1. After leaving the computer on for quite some time as well as updating programs and re-booting a few times, I found that Lightroom was CRAWLING, so much so that it was unuseable. I did the processing of a shoot with about 35 photos, which usually takes me about an hour, and it was a two and a half hour process. I can't live like that, seeing as how I tend to shoot two or three homes a day. Everything else seemed to work just fine, but Lightroom is kind of my most important program BY A MILE. I went back to 8.1 and my speed went right back to where it was before.

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